BEN Posted 2008-09-12

Pope Benedict insisted on being reasonable in order to avoid the literal reading of religious texts. Malikites do the same. Our Sheikhs gave their “opinion” on a religious fact, neglecting the terrain where it was to be applied and the degree of development of society while calling on example made by the Prophet that is questionable at the interpretive level. An opinion is an opinion! You follow it or not, keeping in mind that the law of the country is what prevails and nobody is above it.

Eng. Hasan Al-Bahkali Posted 2008-09-13

The Fatwa could be correct but it is not suitable with our time. It has no justification. To face any pretexts and in order to protect the right of children, he is not apt to assume the responsibility of marriage. Therefore, the legislator adopts laws according to what suits the conditions and times. Engineer Hasan Al Bahkali.

عماد Posted 2008-09-13

Praise be to God alone. I was astonished at the Fatwa issued by this sheikh and the attitude of the lawyer for two reasons. The first: this sheikh totally ignores matters of his religion and life. Issuing this fatwa is considered an intellectual retardation. How can the girl who is just nine years old bear the burden of sexual intercourse? How can she do her duty at home including daily tasks? The second: this lawyer should go back to the amphitheatres of the university in which he has studied to strengthen his legal knowledge. If the latter reviews the family law, he won’t need to go to courts to file a suit against a fameless sheikh. The family law has organized marriage in a perfect way as regards administrative and formal measures to conclude marriages. Moreover, it also covered the approval of the family law in charge of marriage of submitted applications. The Moroccan judge cannot marry a girl below 18 without a motivated decision in which he indicates the interest which called him to grant his approval. Therefore, what is the interest on which the judge will rely to approve the marriage of a girl who is barely 9? Is it maturity or total discernment? The Moroccan judge isn’t naïve to that point. How can he approve the marriage of a girl who is at the best period of childhood? Both the sheikh and lawyer are called to reconsider their intellectual and legal background. The messenger of God, peace and prayer of God be upon him, was right in saying “If matters are entrusted to incompetent people, expect the day of judgment”.

Eng. Hasan Al-Bahkali Posted 2008-09-14

This fatwa could be correct or has evidences which made the Sheikh issue it. However, such a fatwa isn’t practical and adequate for our time. It is an injustice against children who still need care and attention until they become of age. Marriage is a responsibility. Now it is even more difficult for grown up people. We were hoping to hear a fatwa which would solve the problems of society and help people while at the same time be adequate with the changes of time. Engineer Hasan Al Bahkali.

sami Posted 2008-09-15

If this sheikh has a daughter who is nine, will he marry her or will he say no, she is too young for marriage?

gol Posted 2008-09-15

The Moroccan legal system consists of double standards. Compare the condemnation of a blogger to two years in prison for a few paltry words to a fake surgeon in France who was condemned for having butchered his victims with a scalpel, leaving irreversible consequences, or to a fake sheikh whose incitation for violence against children did not even bother the Moroccan legal system!!!

karima Posted 2008-09-15

Has this little man ever heard of pedophilia? The age of nine? Is it then also possible, according to this so called fatwa, for a woman to marry a young boy of 9 years??? Or what about the age of 6? It is only a difference of three years... Why do these ignorant men always (ab)use the koran to justify their stupid, back to the middle ages, remarks? I would like to speak a FATWA against this man!!

meriem Posted 2008-09-16

Salam alikum. In reality, I want to thank you for your efforts which cover the world news especially Algeria which is my dear country. I wish you success.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-16

When a person reads this rubbish, he should wash up because he will feel disgusted and sickened. My Moroccan brothers, the pupils of Al Karaouiyine University, stone this irreligious and charlatan in the biggest public square. A girl in that age should be at school. I honestly hope that Maghrebia removes that page. By God, one is ashamed of his shadow when he reads this madness. Oh people of Morocco, is this what Islam and Muslims need? Where are the sheikhs of Al Karaouiyine? Why doesn't somebody pick up this trash? By God these enormities don’t occur even in the kingdom of animals.

المسائية العربية Posted 2008-09-17

Issues are often interpreted out of context and extracted forcibly from its background. The sheikh issued a fatwa, explained a Qur’an verse or referred to the biography of the prophet. We can debate him if we are learned and refute his idea with evidence and proof. However, raising our swords and letting go of our tongues with criticism and vileness, this is sheer ignorance. Praise be to God, there are plenty scholars, sheikhs and learned people expert in matters of religion and life in our countries. So they are more apt to write about the topic and inform people who hurry up in attacking others while they have barely read the controversial title of the article. We don’t think that a reasonable person will deliver a nine-year-old girl to an adult for marriage. So there should be some forethought and prudence before issuing judgments may God rest your souls.

Karim Posted 2008-09-18

Please forgive me if I sound un-religious but I think it is about time we drew a line between religion and common sense! We are in the 21st Century. What this weirdo advocates is TOTALLY wrong whether you are muslim, christian or jewish! I appeal to any good parent: would you let someone rape your nine-year old daughter? Because it is RAPE! Whichever way you look at it! The rape of a child! If religion decides it is ok to marry off a child, then religion is WRONG! I will gladly burn in Hell rather than accept this!

الصدق14 Posted 2008-09-21

These are the end of times as it was mentioned by the prophet peace be upon him. Knowledge dies with the death of scholars.

الشيخ صلاح Posted 2008-09-22

What I want to say directly is that this sheikh is psychologically sick. May God cure him. Poor man. Help him with your prayers. This Moghraoui should go to an asylum for crazy people.

mohammed Posted 2008-09-23

This is regretful. But please, don’t make things worse. Turn the page and act as if you heard or read nothing. Don’t abuse your religion. Turn aside from the ignorant; speak to them effectual words concerning themselves.

وردة Posted 2008-09-23

Peace, mercy and blessings of God be upon you. First of all, I greet all Muslims wherever they are. I say that the religion is an uncomplicated religion. Our noble religion order us to be honest and loving. It doesn’t order us to cause strife with our Muslim brothers. I say to sheikh El Moghraoui, it is true that the prophet, peace and prayer of God be upon him married Aicha, God bless her, at nine, But he consummated marriage only after she began menstruation. But do you think sheikh, that if a man married a girl at nine, will he wait until she comes of age? I say no and a thousand times no because temptations are surrounding our young people from all sides. I respect sheikh El Moghraoui but I tell him look at the mentality of a sixteen-year-old girl rather than a nine-year-old girl. I hope from all our brothers not to use bad words because in all cases this is a man who bears the book of God.

mojahid oujda Posted 2008-09-26

In reality, a girl cannot marry at the age of 9 because there is a big difference between girls today and girls 15 centuries ago in the physical side. However, we should let this sheikh justify well why he has issued this fatwa because our problem is that we aren’t good at listening.

أبو يحيى ا Posted 2008-09-28

No, rather the curse of God, of the angels and all the people upon some rascals here and upon you Salah the immoral, rascal, wicked and those like you. By God, you’re not worth an atom of **** of the smallest Salafi on earth. How can I reach you? Haven’t you heard what Darat Omar made of Sabigh? I am so sorry. Who will bring you in front of me now? Anyway, the Day of Judgment is our meeting. The Fatwa is absolutely correct. I am ready, God willing, to marry my daughter who is 10. I wished she was eight. But this is the will of God. I don’t know what pushes some ribald like Tarek Al Masri, may God dumb his hearing and heart, as well as the stupid Karima, the coward and KLTM the miserable, fledglings of idle people to say their opinions about matters on which they know nothing. Do you know what is the vision of Salafists of you? You are nothing. By God, nothing. By God, nothing. By God, nothing. Read deeply the writings of the right Salafi movement. Why do you have no sense? No, on the hearts there are locks. This is a notice. Peace on the followers of the right path.

azza salafiya Posted 2008-09-30

I think God knows that this is a sign of failure of review of the Moroccans of the legitimacy or illegitimacy of what is falsely and wrongly called “…council”… Honestly, it should be called the council of ignorance, consumers of evil, tribune of infidelity and interment. By God, if the smallest student in the houses of Qur’an comes to them, he will destroy the council one after the other so what if it is Sheikh El Moghraoui? Then a rascal of the Awqaf who was a shepherd before starts to shout. Glory be to God. Now Salafists will begin the knowledge confrontation. Woe to the council and its members. We were patient for a long time, so let’s begin now…

مسلم Posted 2008-10-01

Salam alikum. I have read everything which was written on this page including comments and feedback. I am very sorry to see Moroccans reach this flagrant level of ignorance of the religion of God. They know of their religion just a few principles. Their knowledge of the tradition of the prophet is erroneous. This is the result of their negligence and refusal to abide by the rules of their Lord. They have instead adopted human rights drawn up by America instead of implementing religious rules in all the aspects of their lives at an early age. Now we hear and see criticism from those who talk about sheikhs and scholars of Suna, insult them and accuse them of insanity and ignorance just because they have presented to them the right about the Islamic sharia to which they weren’t educated and contrary to human rights to which many Moroccans were educated in recent years. These rights should rather be called ruin of man not his rights. However, if ignorance of religious matters is prevalent, if there is a higher interest and care about life matters following the example of the west, you should not be surprised. I can almost confirm that those who wrote on this page don’t know how to pray, perform their ablutions in a correct way in which they were performed by the messenger of God, peace and prayer of God be upon him. Worse than all this, they ignore how to debate and comment about issues incomprehensible by their minds or ears enshrouded in obstacles and layers which prevent them from accepting rules and understanding them in a correct way. All this is the result of distorting the human nature and immersion in sins and misdeeds. If you take a quick look at our streets, you will notice this rapidly. Ignorance, following whims and malefic secularism are the strongest things we observe among young people today. But we observe in elderly people a lack of knowledge or abject Sufism which corrode bodies. I imagine Imam Malek sent in our time. He said “The last of this nation will be good only with what the first of it were good’’. So ignorant creatures of God, return to your religion to understand and grasp the words of Sheikh El Moghraoui who brought nothing from himself. These are the words of major scholars of Malekites in the past and in the present. I don’t say that they are the words of the blind councils because Imam Malek disowns them because they are fabulist Sufists who innovate things about the religion of God. Anyone who loves the Sunna and abides by it will say the same thing which was said by El Moghraoui and all Sunna sheikhs in the Islamic world. The problem is in us and not in the Sunna.

مسلم Posted 2008-10-01

Just as a reminder, Sheikh El Moghraoui hasn’t imposed on anyone to adopt what he said. However, this statement is undoubtedly correct for the major Ulemas of Sunna who have a deep knowledge of religious and social matters which aren’t contrary to religion of course. Members of the blind councils including sufists who bring new things about the religion of God should reply to sheikh with arguments and evidence of the book of God, the tradition of His prophet and statements of major scholars in the past and now. I am very sure that they have no evidence or argument except the family law, which is full of religious infringements known by the smallest student of religion, or argue with the clauses of the human rights declaration contrary to the religion of God in all its details. This is reiterated by lawyers, civil society members and other ignorant who have western minds and hearts odd to the book of God and the tradition of the prophet, peace and prayer of God be upon him. Or they will just state some arguments of the public and ignorant people, carpenters or ministers such as the development of the era and the changes of modern societies. However, if they have a good knowledge of their religion, they wouldn’t have needed to enumerate such fake arguments. To sum up, if we want to follow the tradition of our prophet, peace and prayer of God be upon him, the correct saying is that fixing the age for a girl at 18, has no basis. It is just a malefic secular statement which is not associated with our religion. Moreover, no one has fixed her age of marriage at nine. The sheikh rather talks about the possibility of this. This means that there are girls who are barely nine but are apt to marry as regards the physical or intellectual maturity. No one must forbid them from marrying if they want to and if parents think that this is suitable for them. Then, this will be better and purer, and the wise understands. There are many girls who are 27 but not apt for marriage or anything else. Her thoughts are just the thought of the American potatoes. She wanders in the streets day and night, peeled and fried. If you marry her, she will turn your life in gloominess and lack of appetite. This is the state of many girls today except those who were saved by the mercy of God. SO fear God if you have an atom of belief. Don’t follow the paths of the brothers of Satan including secularists, scientists of the west who want us to leave our religion gradually and follow their path in this life until we become like them. Our noble prophet said “people will be introduced with those they like”.

mohammed Posted 2008-10-07

It was stated in the speech of the farewell pilgrimage: « Fear God in women, be good to them, have I not communicated the message? Oh Lord be witness”. God the Almighty said “And test the orphans until they attain puberty”; to the end of the verse. The messengers of God said ask your heart even if people give you their opinion. You are distorting the image of Islam with your ignorance while you think that you are doing good to it. You aren’t Shiaa or Khawarej. The people of Sunna have disowned you unless you repent to God. May be you want to join Al Dahiria. It is the movement attributed to Ibn Hazm Al Andaloussi and all those who don’t have a deep knowledge of Arabic in its reality and metaphor. So please tell me about the beginning and end of fasting day in the North Pole. Sorry, you don’t believe in the roundness of earth. In your knowledge, the earth is borne on the horns of a cow! You deny human rights. You say that it is an extraneous idea to Islam. So what have you left for this great religion after depriving it of the best and noblest principles with which it has come? By God, tell me about a heavenly or non-heavenly religion which called for the respect of human rights like Islam? This religion has come to take people out of the slavery to people to the worship of God, Lord of the people. Do you still believe in the legitimacy of slavery and adultery with more than one woman in the pretext that they are part of your women slaves? The world has changed and rules have changed. Islam is valid to all times and places. It is a great valley which continuously supplies humanity every time and every place. What is the plausible explanation to the saying of God the Almighty « When they reach maturity »? What would you say of someone who reaps fruits before they are ripened? Won’t you say that he is corrupting on earth? With this call you are making, you are corrupting on earth! With your ignorance you are encouraging the enemies of Islam to fight it and cast doubt about its eternal heritage. Islam is the religion of knowledge, work, love and peace. It has come for the happiness of the human being not to turn his life to sorrow, mourning and grief. What is the rule of Shariaa about someone who causes an internal haemorrhage to a nine-year-old girl which might cause her death? Is this what Islam and Muslims need? Have all mature women of Islam married so that we have to marry underage girls? Maybe those who think of marrying an underage girl have an intellectual disability. The messenger of God, peace and prayer of God be upon him, died while he was advising you to be good to women. So respect the advice of your prophet peace and prayer of God be upon him. Peace be upon the followers of the right path.

Berny Posted 2008-12-21

In reading the various messages on this site, me- the Jew who speaks Arabic, who sings songs in Arabic- I am pleased to see that the great majority of Internet-goers who frequent this website were revolted by this fatwa. Not until I hit the comment by “Anonymous” (posted on 2008-09-27), was I saddened. I have copy-pasted his text. “As regards those who say that the prophet of mercy Mohamed, peace and prayer be upon him, married Aicha the daughter of Abou Bakr and he consumed his marriage with her while she was 8 or 9, these are lies, falsehood and the inventions of the Israelis Zionists, God curses those who repeat these words. It is the Jews who hate the prophet who say these words. The tutor of humanity who was chosen and educated by God and about whom God said ‘most surely you conform to sublime morality’, marries a girl aged 8? May God curse those who say such words.” What do we have to do with this? Stop thinking that the Jews, which are but a small minority in the world, are trying to harm Islam. All that we want is peace. Must I repeat that your religion is very close to our, that we eat only food that is kosher and thus halal for you. Your sons, just like ours, are circumcised. Just like you, we celebrate Abraham’s sacrifice. Do you truly think that we would do this without believing in and loving one and only God of humanity. I would like to pose you one more question. Of course, you think that all human beings are the work of God. Therefore, I am – just like you – his creature. Don’t you think that you…

abbas Posted 2009-02-22

Do you see signs of infringement on the freedom of expression in your country? Yes, because you are doing it yourself on this very page! PS – I am not a Jew, but, given this fatwa, I would prefer to be. May God forgive me for this audacious idea.